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Offline Whendaleksattack

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What are your opinions on Fresh?
« on: November 01, 2019, 01:24:55 AM »
I've seen reviews of this game on GameFAQs (the Reader review) and on Nintendo Life earlier this month, and I'm a bit concerned about how they were rated. I've yet to pick up the game, but I have seen a bit of footage around the internet, and my thoughts are a bit mixed. I like that they added a health bar to the game (saves me the frustration of Shun), but also I find it very silly that they added a hunger bar to a platformer, let alone a Umihara Kawase game. Overall, I'm probably going to wait for a price drop until I pick it up (there are better ways to waste $50), but those are my opinions so far. What are yours?

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Re: What are your opinions on Fresh?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2019, 02:20:53 AM »
You can see what mine are already.

I thought the game was disappointing. Certainly not nearly as deep or challenging as the other games. Felt more like a tedious fetch quest really. The game couldn't even sell on the Switch, and with publicly available Western physical copies.

Plus has been out on Vita for a while now. Check that one out.

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Re: What are your opinions on Fresh?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2019, 09:16:59 PM »
Yeah, I've seen a few preview copies at a local store, but nothing else for this game. I just saw a playthrough of the game (up until the first boss) and I was stunned about how tedious the game actually was, with all of those "deliver this/grab this item" missions, FOR PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE TIME. One particular mission has you trying to collect nuts from a certain enemy who spits them out for a kid, but when you do collect them, the kid just rejects them, which makes the mission just a complete waste of time. Also the story... what story? There is barely much to it, and I think it was pretty much an afterthought. The hunger bar also was probably added just to add some artificial difficulty to this game.

On a more positive side, I love the artwork in this game (Kawase herself looks adorable) and the music (from what I heard) ain't too bad, though not as grand and catchy as the original or Shun (speaking of which, they reuse one of the tracks from Shun for the result screen). 

There was also a collector's version for Fresh too (in Japan only, I think) that looked like the box for the original game, so I guess they put their resources into that as well, but it's a shame that the game itself is a disappointment.

But hey, at least it's not as bad/broken like that thing on the PSP.
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Re: What are your opinions on Fresh?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2019, 09:49:17 PM »
This game is TECHNICALLY more tolerable than the PSP one, but that's all it is- tolerable. The PSP one was fixed in future remakes and the previous versions of it from generations earlier were already good. Fresh on the other hand? There's no fixing this game- you would have to overhaul the entire experience to the point of being unrecognizable.

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Re: What are your opinions on Fresh?
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2019, 01:08:41 AM »
I wasn't really a huge fan of Fresh either (probably not to the same level as Princess Rescuer, but anyway).

For the most part, I didn't think the level design had the same quality as previous games.  Some of the later quests felt like 'here's the exact same quest you've done before, but now there are more enemies', which seemed like blatant padding of game length to me.  Additionally, while the hunger bar really should never have been included, it's made worse by the fact that some later quests start with a reduced hunger bar.

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Re: What are your opinions on Fresh?
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2019, 02:45:42 PM »
I also find it odd how there was a PS4 port announced a while ago, but strangely no PC port as well (as pretty much all the previous games have a PC version on Steam, including the upcoming Bazooka game).

Very strange.
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Re: What are your opinions on Fresh?
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2019, 03:31:10 PM »
Rescuer is being too hard on this game, IMO. It doesn't make sense to compare it to UK PSP - that game is fundamentally broken, Fresh merely suffers from bad design.

Point being, nobody loved the PSP game, because it's so fucked you can't really play it. By contrast, I imagine that Fresh appeals quite a lot to some players (I know there's a good bit of competition on the speedrun leaderboards, which there never was for the PSP game). Fresh certainly has many problems: the story is an afterthought and each quest is basically "Start here, go here, then here", and in general the open world setting compares poorly to the polished individual level design of the previous entries. You'd have to make your own fun in Fresh, speedrunning ILs or whatever, but when all's said and done the engine is still the same great game engine that was in Sayonara. I'd also make the case that "making your own fun" and just playing around with the physics has always been a part of the Umihara Kawase games, at least once you've conquered the levels.

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I also find it odd how there was a PS4 port announced a while ago, but strangely no PC port as well (as pretty much all the previous games have a PC version on Steam, including the upcoming Bazooka game).
I really hope it comes to PC, because Fresh could really do with a mod to remove the Hunger bar. This would be a band-aid though - like Rescuer says, you'd have to change the entire game design to "fix" Fresh's problems.

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Re: What are your opinions on Fresh?
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2019, 05:02:05 PM »
Yeah, mods would definitely be useful should this game come to PC. I don't know about any other mods for the other Steam releases though, but perhaps if this game does come to PC, then maybe this game will be good (though it'll have to be nearly completely overhauled).

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Re: What are your opinions on Fresh?
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2019, 08:05:23 AM »
I don't know about any other mods for the other Steam releases though
People here were poking around in the Steam game's files. There's a thread on "umires.arc" (the archive for the game data) that dives pretty deep, if you're interested, and Naulahauta had another thread for his adventures with Shun on PC.

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but perhaps if this game does come to PC, then maybe this game will be good (though it'll have to be nearly completely overhauled).
Eh, Studio Saizensen probably want to just shuffle Fresh into the back catalogue ASAP and move onto the next game, there's no way they're going to do any work on a Steam version beyond a straight port.

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Re: What are your opinions on Fresh?
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2019, 04:17:56 AM »
I also find it odd how there was a PS4 port announced a while ago, but strangely no PC port as well (as pretty much all the previous games have a PC version on Steam, including the upcoming Bazooka game).

Very strange.

I, too, was surprised at the lack of PC version announcement, but now I'm not sure whether to expect any PC version in the future.  You'd have fewer sales due to people who would've bought a more timely PC release buying the Switch or PS4 versions instead (besides suckers like me who would double-dip) and the game's somewhat mixed reputation turning some people away.  I'd certainly still like to see a PC version, but at this point, it might be better for them to move on after the PS4 version's release.

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Re: What are your opinions on Fresh?
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2019, 01:32:22 AM »
I will say this about Fresh: I was at least excited that a new game was being made, thinking Sayonara would be the last.

With Bazooka, I'm not even excited for that game. It's another crossover spin-off game, and the thing that concerns me is that it's being banged out very quickly. Only one year after Fresh! Even remakes took more than one year to come out. It makes me wonder what kind of rushed, content-bereft game Bazooka will be. Plus, the premise of making a Smash-esque fighting game just feels misguided. At least Fresh will still be just as playable in the future. Good luck finding someone to play Bazooka with you a month after that game is out. All you will be stuck with are the AI bots which will never provide as interesting of an experience.

I've played enough of the first three games and I'm not really excited for anything that's coming up. I just don't think the design will be as interesting. The series is going through an awkward phase, experimenting with spin-offs, gimmicks, and "accessibility", and I don't know when that's going to end and it can go back to being traditional. Just let it be what it is. Trend-chasing will do the series no favors.