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Offline Princess Rescuer

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Play with the original controllers
« on: September 27, 2018, 10:43:33 PM »
And by that I mean the Joy-Cons or the Pro Controller. Not the PS4 controller or remakes of the Super Famicom controllers. Play the game with the controllers the system was intended for. The Joy-Cons have good, responsive control sticks that work well with 2D games. And the pro controller has a D-Pad which isn't hard to reach and is comfortable. There will eventually be a remake on a Sony console and on PC, where you'll get to have your Sony controller with the level D-pad again. And that will be the better version.

Offline sol-alpha

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Re: Play with the original controllers
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2018, 06:18:12 AM »
Play the game with the controllers the system was intended for.

We live in an age now where the Xbox adaptive controller exists. There's no need to be a purist about what controller a person should use to play games with. This isn't a big deal.

Even the Switch is about playing anyway you want.



Offline Princess Rescuer

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Re: Play with the original controllers
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2018, 04:14:50 AM »
I say this because I just bought an 8bitdo NES-like controller to play Vs. Super Mario Bros. with. In order to make it even work, you have to install firmware. You can't do this from a Mac computer- it isn't compatible. Same goes for the Switch controller converter that lets you play with a PS4 or Xbox One controller as well. Even if I could get it to work, I just don't like the NES controller or any controller that's trying to be like it. It's a very harsh and uncomfortable controller. Same goes with controllers that want to be like the Super Famicom- although that controller is rounder, it still doesn't have the grips designed for human hands or comfortable grips and textures like every modern controller has. And I must say- aside from "no input lag" (which a wireless recreation would remove), the SFC controller was never my favorite controller to play Umihara with- the big D-Pad made diagonals difficult and the buttons were a little too far apart. Plus the oddly positioned pause button looked cool, but made pausing awkward. That and it was too thin. The Vita had many of the same issues. Playing the game on the Vita TV with a PS4 controller (or earlier, a PS3 controller) was something I preferred.

Fun fact- when I first got Umihara Kawase Shun, I used a SFC-to-PS1 converter to play it. And when I just broke into the PS1 controllers, my performance was better. I tried to order two PS1-to-SFC converters to help with SFC games as well as extend the short cords, but never got them for whatever reason and never ordered other ones. And my experiences have been better and less expensive. Sometimes, you just have to trust console manufacturers and create new memories instead of trying to fabricate old ones.

Offline sol-alpha

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Re: Play with the original controllers
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2018, 02:22:12 AM »
Okay, so you had a bad time with third-party controllers and you have a preference for PlayStation controllers.

That's what I thought this thread was going to be: controller preferences, but you worded it very badly by telling people what they should play with: "original controllers" instead of just suggesting it.

You could change this topic to Super Smash Bros for Wii U telling people to only play with the original controllers: Wii U Gamepad/Pro Controller and it would be the same thing (especially when only 1 Wii U Gamepad can only be used per system), people having different preferences won't care what you tell them to do. They'll play Smash for Wii U using a:
- GameCube Controller
- Nintendo 3DS
- Wii Remote+ held sideways
- Wii Remote+ and Nunchuk
- Wii Remote+ and Classic Controller Pro
- Wii U Gamepad
- Wii U Pro Controller

One last thing, if Umihara Kawase Fresh! Got ported to PC, are you going to tell people that they should only be using Keyboard+Mouse controls to play it because that's the original controls for a PC? i.e.
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Play the game with the controllers the system was intended for.

Offline Princess Rescuer

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Re: Play with the original controllers
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2018, 07:53:38 AM »
Nah, in that case use the controller you have already been using on PC. Umi is terrible with a keyboard.

I started this because I was disappointed with custom controllers and wanted to warn people not to use them. They might be good someday.

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Re: Play with the original controllers
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2019, 04:27:14 PM »
I plan to buy the new Switch SNES wireless controllers that were announced in the Nintendo Direct recently. I assume they should work with Umihara Kawase Fresh since you can use the dpad in that game.


Offline Princess Rescuer

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Re: Play with the original controllers
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2019, 08:43:15 PM »
That's what I was planning on too. Unfortunately, I don't like Fresh very much. Still waiting for current-gen re-releases of the previous games.

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Re: Play with the original controllers
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2019, 06:59:34 PM »
I plan to buy the new Switch SNES wireless controllers that were announced in the Nintendo Direct recently.
They sold out pretty fast, huh? Did you get any? They're being flipped for about £50 apiece on ebay, which isn't terrible, but I'd want a cast-iron recommendation before dropping that. I did have a pair of the NES controllers, which were fun for the NES virtual console thing, but the d-pads were a little sharp (just like the real NES) so I sold them on.

In general I'm not too impressed with the Joycons. They don't have great range and are really susceptible to interference, even by bluetooth standards. There's also a class action lawsuit started up in the Sates over the failure rates on their analogue sticks, so far mine have been alright but they feel flimsy and I dare say I'll have to replace them before too long. I'm disappointed that they didn't alter the design for the new all-in-one Switch, they know those sticks start to drift over time. My feeling is that it's kind of shitty that joycons die, but at least you can just replace them - with an integrated system that's a real problem.

The Switch Pro controller I've got is mostly fine but as time's gone on I've noticed that occasionally I get a faulty "up" input on the d-pad, which seems a common complaint. I've heard of some pretty janky fixes involving raising the d-pad, but people then seem to have to increase pressure to get it responsive, so I just use that pad for its analogue sticks. All around I'd say this generation is a drop in the usual Nintendo quality.

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Re: Play with the original controllers
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 05:28:22 AM »
Yeah, I noticed issues with the sticks on my joy-cons about a month ago.  Unfortunate that they'd only last a bit over two years (didn't quite get my Switch at launch, got it a couple of months later).  I'm holding out on buying new ones as long as I can, but it seems inevitable that I'll have to.

I was planning to get one of the wireless SNES controllers and then totally forgot about it!  I'm not surprised that people would use eBay to take advantage of the limited supply, but I'm sure it won't be too long before they're back in stock.  I'd definitely be interested in any impressions if anyone around here got one, though!

Offline Alc

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Re: Play with the original controllers
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 07:36:22 PM »
I'm not surprised that people would use eBay to take advantage of the limited supply, but I'm sure it won't be too long before they're back in stock.
Unfortunately it's Nintendo, who have historically always been conservative when stocking hardware, to the delight of ebay scalpers and the ire of everyone else. Here in Europe, Nintendo's response to these selling out overnight was to say that a "small number" will be made available at some later date, which isn't particularly reassuring. Any other company would be delighted that there was such strong demand for a product, and would endeavour to meet it, but apparently not Nintendo. Are they marketing geniuses, deftly generating desire among their user base through scarcity, or are they simply incompetent? I guess it's academic. I can't buy one without hopping on ebay and paying double what it cost first hand, and that's irritating.
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