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Umihara Kawase Fresh! / Re: Play with the original controllers
« Last post by Alc on March 28, 2020, 04:54:11 PM »
Why do you prefer the Shell to the Pro? You mean the Switch Pro pad, yes?

As time's gone on I've had a growing list of grievances with the joycons. The analogue sticks are flimsy and built to break, to the point where there's a class action lawsuit in America over it. They suffer from the worst Bluetooth interference issues of any pad I own. The cardinal-only "button d-pad" is, at best, a kludge of a solution. If I put Tetris 99 aside (where the button d-pad works well because no diagonal inputs are necessary), the Switch would almost certainly be the platform where I've got the least use out of the default controller. I'll take the Pro if I'm wanting analogue sticks, or the 8bitdo M30 if I'm wanting a d-pad; both are much more to my taste. This doesn't leave much room for the joycons.
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Umihara Kawase Fresh! / Re: Play with the original controllers
« Last post by Princess Rescuer on March 28, 2020, 06:11:37 AM »
The thing you put the Joy-Cons in.
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Off-Topic / Re: Kawase style games
« Last post by Alc on March 26, 2020, 07:22:34 PM »
I think the key characteristics of the Umihara Kawase games are 1/ deep physics-based gameplay producing a high learning curve, 2/ short, well-polished levels on a timer, and 3/ expect the player to attempt many runs. The following tick all three pretty closely (listed in no particular order):

N+. Nice platforming physics, really polished game.

Elastomania. It looks like an MS Paint nightmare but the gameplay is just fantastic. Early forerunner of the Trials games - play those instead if the graphics are a deal-breaker.

The first four main Tony Hawks Pro Skater games. I got really deep into 2.


Honorary mentions:

Pinball. Seek out a real-life table, ideally, but Pinball FX 3 (on a rotated monitor if possible) is still a pretty good time.

Particle Mace, kind of like Asteroids but you're swinging a mace around your ship instead of shooting - fantastically entertaining physics engine, but the levels are variations on modifiers, more or less.

Geometry Wars, iterative twin-stick arena shooter with a ridiculous skill ceiling. Skip the sequels, they just dilute the greatness.

Tetris, ticks 2/ and 3/ depending on mode but debatably lacks the deep physics. Definitely gives me the same kind of endorphin rush that the UK games do, and after thousands of hours over 20+ years I'm still noticeably improving.

Roguelikes in general, like Spelunky, Downwell and Isaac - may not have complex physics but they prioritise quick thinking and many runs at the same game.


Finally, I left out Remnants of Naezith because it's a bit too close to being a clone and because I didn't really get into it, but I'd describe it as "Umihara Kawase meets N+", so it feels like it should definitely get a mention.
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Umihara Kawase Fresh! / Re: Play with the original controllers
« Last post by Alc on March 26, 2020, 06:29:41 PM »
BTW, the Shell is better than the Pro.
What is a Shell?
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Umihara Kawase Fresh! / Re: Play with the original controllers
« Last post by Princess Rescuer on March 24, 2020, 01:25:40 PM »
BTW, the Shell is better than the Pro.
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Off-Topic / Kawase style games
« Last post by nathan on March 24, 2020, 12:36:07 AM »
I'd be interested in knowing if you guys have any knowledge of games that share the same "gameplay philosophy" as Umihara Kawase. I'm not talking about clones, but games that have quick individual levels and high skill caps.
My example would be the first 2 Super Monkey Ball games on Gamecube. I think the fast, optimizeable gameplay makes it fulfill this criteria.
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Umihara Kawase Fresh! / Re: Play with the original controllers
« Last post by nathan on March 24, 2020, 12:27:20 AM »
I got a Switch Lite because I figured I would get more use out of a D-Pad than TV hookup when I don't even have an HD TV. I haven't bought Fresh (doesn't look like I would like it that much) but it is a pretty decent d-pad (better than the DS Lite and SNES, worse than the Saturn).
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Off-Topic / Re: What other games do you like / have you been playing?
« Last post by Whendaleksattack on March 20, 2020, 11:02:04 PM »

30% off on Steam at the moment.  I bought it during the holiday sale, played through it a couple of weeks ago and thought it was great.
Sweet, just bought it earlier today, and I'm just giving it a go now. After seeing some footage of the game through Steam, I kinda want to get back into playing some more beat-em-up games now after playing a lot of fighting games recently. Should probably give The Simpsons Arcade Game and Turtles in Time a shot again once I've finished with River City Girls.

Also, I've revisited Super Paper Mario recently, mainly just to complete it after about 8 years since I got it for my Wii. It's a great game and a bit overlooked, and I just love it to bits, especially the soundtrack. Shame the Nintendo Power strategy book I got with it is mostly gone now...

I also tried out Wonder Momo again, a fairly obscure Namco arcade game that I find a bit... interesting to play. The game is actually pretty solid (minus your pathetic standing kick), though probably not a good recommendation as Momo herself feels off to control. Just thought worth mentioning.
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Umihara Kawase Fresh! / Re: Play with the original controllers
« Last post by KawaseFan on March 20, 2020, 04:10:51 AM »
When playing Fresh I used an 8bitdo M30, since the game supports remapping controls and doesn't require too many buttons. For Tetris 99, though, I do use the joy-con buttons as a d-pad (Tetris 99 does support some remapping, but not d-pad, which I'd need for the M30) - the button d-pad is actually pretty good for a game where you only ever want to press cardinal directions.

Oh, definitely, the buttons were great for Tetris 99.

I just remain baffled that the lead platform for Fresh was a console where the included controller doesn't have a d-pad.  Then again, the stick is still there, if you can get used to it; personally, I never could, but I'm sure plenty of other people would've been fine with it.  At least other options exist for playing with a d-pad, though.

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Are you continuing to play Fresh, by the way? Just curious if it stuck with you. I beat it but haven't been back.

Since finishing Kawase's quest, I haven't played it much besides checking out the classic stages when they were released, and playing through some of Cotton's quest yesterday.  I'll probably play through the rest of the challenges and Cotton's quest soon, but I can't see myself spending anywhere near as much time on Fresh as I have on the other games.
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Umihara Kawase Fresh! / Re: Play with the original controllers
« Last post by Alc on March 20, 2020, 01:22:23 AM »
Glad to hear from a reputable source that the SNES pads are good for these games. I spotted them back in stock again, Nintendo seem to have made a good amount this time around which is really excellent news. Hopefully a couple are en route to me right now (along with a couple of the NES ones too).

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unless you somehow really like playing Fresh with the joy-con buttons...
When playing Fresh I used an 8bitdo M30, since the game supports remapping controls and doesn't require too many buttons. For Tetris 99, though, I do use the joy-con buttons as a d-pad (Tetris 99 does support some remapping, but not d-pad, which I'd need for the M30) - the button d-pad is actually pretty good for a game where you only ever want to press cardinal directions.

Are you continuing to play Fresh, by the way? Just curious if it stuck with you. I beat it but haven't been back.
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