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Title: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on July 08, 2016, 07:01:47 PM
An All Unlocks run of Sayonara Umihara Kawase is when you start with a new file and unlock every single part of the Gallery by completing all 70 exits, collecting all 45 backpacks, beating all 5 Survival bosses, and completing Survival Mode with all 6 characters. Time ends when you go in the Gallery after doing all these things and un-New!ing all of the items. Just go to each one and press circle two times (or X on non-Japanese versions). Following this route, a good player should do this in under 90 minutes.

Here is the optimal route to use:

First, complete 0 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > 8 > 9 without collecting any backpacks to unlock Survival mode. I'll explain when you should collect the backpacks later.

Switch to Emiko (if you haven't already, it would be a good idea to do so) and complete this route to unlock Emiko's profile and defeat Tadpole 2. You can do these in any order you want, so start with the hardest ones first.

0 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > 13 > 14 > 15 > 25 > 50 > 27 > 28 > 29 > 19 > 53 > 56 > 20 > 37 > 38 > 47 > 48 > 49 > 59 > 49

Switch to Child Umihara and complete this route:

0 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > 13 > 14 > 15 > 22 > 23 > 24 > 55 > 39 > 40 > 41 > 58 > 44 > 45 > 46

Switch to Nokko and complete this route:

0 > 11 > 12 > 51 > 52 > 26 > 27 > 28 > 29 > 57 > 30 > 31 > 32 > 33 > 34

With the remaining different costumed Umiharas, do this route with your favorite one and do the first route in the run with the other two.

0 > 11 > 12 > 16 > 17 > 18 > 19 > 53 > 56 > 20 > 21

Throughout all of these, now's a good time to collect every single backpack in each route. This will give you more lives in Survival mode (just in case you make mistakes) and even if you never die, minimizes the amount of time you spend going to the next field and has all of the notifications pop up in quick succession. Do the tougher routes with Emiko first and work your way up to the less advantageous characters as you do the easier routes.

After that, complete all of the remaining fields and extra lives you haven't done yet, go to the Gallery to un-New everything to prove you've done it, and check what your final in-game time is on the information icon.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Tooro on July 18, 2016, 01:36:29 PM
After practicing each field, my first challenge ended up with 1h33m.  I wasted many minutes in St32 and St59.  I will try again another day.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Tooro on July 18, 2016, 01:51:53 PM
By the way, this challenge requires creating a new file.  It is OK on Vita because there are three slots so I can delete unnecessary one while keeping my main data.  Does someone know whether we can do the same thing on Steam, that is, to start a new game without deleting old data?
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on July 18, 2016, 03:28:28 PM
I'm not a PC gamer, so I don't know. Just do it on Vita. Keep resetting and erasing files until you get it right.

At any time in the run, you can press the PlayStation icon to go back to the Vita Main Menu and pause the run.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Tooro on July 20, 2016, 03:54:33 PM
I did some more challenges.

2nd challenge: 1h24m37s
3rd challenge: 1h16m50s

For me, 1h0Xm seems achievable with some lucky.  Under 1h seems, if not impossible, very difficult and needs to develop more clever routes for each stage.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on July 20, 2016, 08:21:07 PM
Fantastic! I was lucky to get a time of under 90 minutes. Once you reach your goal, I would like to see the video of your perfect run. I would be so happy to see my idea come to fruition, even if I ended up getting no credit for it.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on July 21, 2016, 12:55:10 AM
Also, from now on, post results of my challenges in topics directly related to them. So post the link in "All Unlocks Runs".
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: gori.sh on July 21, 2016, 08:22:30 AM
1:31:45
I have spent even 17 minutes in F35...
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on July 21, 2016, 02:00:32 PM
When you get a good run, video please!
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: gori.sh on July 21, 2016, 03:12:48 PM
1:16:40
(vita)Recording is difficult.sorry
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on July 21, 2016, 06:42:00 PM
I'd like to see someone record it someday.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Tooro on July 27, 2016, 01:10:59 PM
My current best is 1h08m41s, with one game over at St8.  Mmm, under 1h seems more realistic than first thought.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: gori.sh on August 11, 2016, 02:46:18 PM
I'll play at cabetube. All unlock runs!

http://gae.cavelis.net/live/gori_sh
さよなら海腹川背(steam) all unlock runs

live at:2016/08/15 5:00 GMT (14:00 JST)

Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: KawaseFan on August 12, 2016, 02:33:36 PM
I'll play at cabetube. All unlock runs!

http://gae.cavelis.net/live/gori_sh
さよなら海腹川背(steam) all unlock runs

live at:2016/08/15 5:00 GMT (14:00 JST)
I'll be watching!
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Tooro on August 13, 2016, 01:50:14 PM
I uploaded videos of my 1h00m runs.

https://youtu.be/6Bn5bw2oeT4
https://youtu.be/H0TsQIInRpw
https://youtu.be/Awpe6N3_0Vc
https://youtu.be/j9u_XF1hpG4
https://youtu.be/MrOLFLOvHCY
https://youtu.be/7nqRn6vYCzs

Sorry for Japanese explanations in the videos.  Let me know if someone is interested in some particular fields, for which then I will attempt to write English explanations here.

With regard to Princess Rescuer's route plan, I chose St16 route for Tadpole 2, which I think is two minutes faster than St25 route.  Super players may prefer St21 than St9 for the repeated Survival route because the former is faster (but too difficult for me).
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on August 13, 2016, 05:15:07 PM
Under an hour! I'm elated to see my idea come to fruition! Will you do All Golden Arrows runs now?
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: KawaseFan on August 14, 2016, 08:40:36 AM
Nice, Tooro!
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: gori.sh on August 15, 2016, 07:08:33 AM
Live it has ended. Thank you for your viewing.
Time is about 1.09.30.

https://www.cavelis.net/view/A069E21216114EFEB159B943220E3B51
Recording can be seen between about one week.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: KawaseFan on August 15, 2016, 11:21:54 AM
Thank you for live-streaming it!
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: esk on August 18, 2016, 12:00:36 PM
52m45s (steam)

http://i.imgur.com/A6FdJk3.png
https://youtu.be/YNFqAyaHTCY


I was careful to not to die than that of time.
About 2 minutes is likely to be shortened the time.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on August 18, 2016, 02:46:33 PM
Nice! Under an hour! I was surprised to see it go under 75 minutes. Full video please? Also clearer sound next time?

I don't care if I get the credit or not, I'm just happy to see my idea gain traction and offer something new and exciting to the game, as well as more substantial.

Next time, go back to the main menu and check the I icon to see what your time was. That will freeze it.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on August 18, 2016, 07:40:42 PM
Other things I want people to do:

1. Post videos/streams on popular sites like YouTube or Twitch where the average person can easily find it. No more obscure Japanese streaming sites. Maybe invent a Twitch or Hitbox channel and restream it on that if it's too late.

2. Post times on Speedrun.com, the most popular speed-running leaderboard site. Invent a new category called "All Unlocks" as part of Sayonara Umihara Kawase.

3. List which controller you used during the run. On the PC version, it can be any controller. On the Vita version, list wether it was a Dualshock 3 or Dualshock 4.

These suggestions will help both you and the category gain traction and rise out of the depths of obscurity. I want to see this become big!
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: KawaseFan on August 19, 2016, 09:02:27 AM
52m45s (steam)

http://i.imgur.com/I4RZGab.png
https://youtu.be/JzTEYJ5RwKc


I was careful to not to die than that of time.
About 2 minutes is likely to be shortened the time.

Amazing, esk!
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: esk on August 19, 2016, 03:33:50 PM
My PC is old. So my video is low quality.
If you still want to watch.

Full
https://youtu.be/2cZKogM6BTQ
https://youtu.be/loUew1DRXFk
https://youtu.be/_fg55RWl-j0
https://youtu.be/wGDRiizcPDs
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on August 19, 2016, 06:16:37 PM
I don't care if the framerate and picture quality isn't perfect, I just need to hear the music and sound. Nice job!

I started an All Unlocks thread on the SDA (Speed Demos Archive) forum to see if the western community would take an interest in it. Nobody's responded so far.

More! More!
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on August 20, 2016, 05:35:59 PM
esk just did another one! Yay! New record: 51 minutes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-1YzxgOmRQ
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on August 20, 2016, 05:42:57 PM
Forgot to mention: I posted a topic of this on the SDA forums to see if it would reach a more international audience. So far, no takers. Are the records to good? Or is it difficult to even find people who can even get all the unlocks in general?

Also, any takers for the All Golden Arrows run? Just asking.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: esk on August 20, 2016, 05:46:02 PM
50m57s (steam)
http://i.imgur.com/mJcNAqN.png

Full
https://youtu.be/waxGWbMGPQQ
https://youtu.be/6c8MjsxhArQ
https://youtu.be/FqBIjW47b6Q
https://youtu.be/a-1YzxgOmRQ


I think that it is possible to finish in less than 50 minutes.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Ramtieger on August 27, 2016, 01:36:36 AM
I have achieved less than one hour at the finish of fifth. I've played in the PSVita. I still have a lot of mistakes. However, it is not easy to reduce the number of mistakes.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: KawaseFan on August 30, 2016, 12:20:28 PM
Nice, esk and Ramtieger!

Also, any takers for the All Golden Arrows run? Just asking.
I'll try the All Golden Arrows at some point.  I can't promise when, exactly, but I promise you I will do it.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: wai on September 03, 2016, 09:50:16 AM
I played, too. My time is 54:00 (steam).
https://youtu.be/jV3w582Jwis
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on September 03, 2016, 03:18:17 PM
The All Golden Arrows run is a fair bit longer, not to mention less organic. You have to do the first tadpole at least 5 times. The most interesting discovery was routing in Field 28 after discovering I could cut one play through (15 minutes) off the time.

Also, I want to put the All Unlocks and All Golden Arrows times on Speedrun.com when I get around to creating an account.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: KawaseFan on September 06, 2016, 11:54:52 AM
I played, too. My time is 54:00 (steam).
https://youtu.be/jV3w582Jwis
Nice!

The All Golden Arrows run is a fair bit longer, not to mention less organic. You have to do the first tadpole at least 5 times. The most interesting discovery was routing in Field 28 after discovering I could cut one play through (15 minutes) off the time.
Yeah, I'm going to need to find a day when I can just do that and nothing else for three hours.  I won't have that kind of time this weekend, but hopefully next weekend.

I'm not really looking forward to doing the tadpole that many times...

Just out of curiosity, what was your best time?
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on September 06, 2016, 03:19:04 PM
My best time is under 3 hours, though it's not uploaded anywhere. I just don't have the power to record. When you do it, post it in All Golden Arrows Runs. In order to get a good time, you may even need to set aside the entire day to do multiple runs to work out the kinks, and even resets when the Field 28 route doesn't go as planned. Do the Field 28 route first to mitigate this, although you won't be able to take breaks anytime later.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: siosatou on September 11, 2016, 03:30:16 AM
44:38
http://i.imgur.com/AvVPhRP.png
https://youtu.be/Y9CmE7RuDog


This was a good practice . I have a lot of discovery , so I was able to improve my technical problems .
And I enjoyed . Thank you.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: KawaseFan on September 11, 2016, 09:39:39 AM
44:38
http://i.imgur.com/AvVPhRP.png
https://youtu.be/Y9CmE7RuDog
That is amazing!
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on September 11, 2016, 02:40:29 PM
Under 45! A milestone! Way to go!
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on October 05, 2016, 08:43:06 PM
An even better run by the champion who taught me how to play Umihara Kawase himself!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8r33yhAEI0
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: KawaseFan on October 09, 2016, 11:15:58 AM
43:53!  Impressive!  I don't think that's being beaten any time soon.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: KawaseFan on October 20, 2016, 04:10:06 AM
I've put up a page with the rankings: http://kawasefan.net/sayonara-umihara-kawase-all-unlocks-run (http://kawasefan.net/sayonara-umihara-kawase-all-unlocks-run)

I'll keep it updated as new times are submitted here, or as I happen to find them elsewhere.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on October 20, 2016, 08:11:40 AM
Wow, thx! I feel special!

I wonder if All Golden Arrows runs and the Low Jumping Challenge will ever become popular?

Oh, and how do I get to the leaderboards via the main page in the site?
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: KawaseFan on October 20, 2016, 09:47:25 AM
You get to the rankings page by reminding me that I totally forgot to link to it anywhere!  I've put a link to it on the Sayonara / Sayonara+ pages now.
Title: Re: All Unlocks Runs
Post by: Princess Rescuer on July 09, 2018, 08:00:25 AM
Rule change: You should cut out the amount of time looking through the unlocks and the time and just stop the timer when the last unlock comes up in the yellow text box. You can even do this on a current PB. That gives a definitive advantage to recording the run, which I encourage everyone to do to begin with.

With this, the times should be:

Siousatou: 43:41
Wai: 45:50
Ramtieger: 49:25
Esk: 50:43
Tooro: 1:00:08
Gorish: Time is not changed because no video. Can't gauge it.

Also, due to the distinct disadvantage Vita TV has under PC, there should be separate rankings, similar to how Super Famicom/Super Nintendo is different to DS/Vita/PC in the first game. There are loading times and the menus aren't quite as fast. Vita needs to be sub hour! Also, there haven't been any 3DS runs/leaderboards yet.